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I’m a huge YGstan, but I think JYJ just has enough looks, talent and star power to make a considerable dent in the West. If only… they hadn’t ruined the “Ayy Girl” video. Even Kanye, as out of place as he was, couldn’t ruin that song. It’s the apron. The curly hair. The bad effects. Shiiiiiii. I wish for them just ONE catchy song and better pronunciation.

2NE1 are awesome performers, but they’re just not artists yet and there will always be a condescending view of them and how they are just manufactured. On the other hand, Big Bang got it all, but they just look too different – like Lady Gaga’s Male alter ego from the east. And we all know they’re probably not gonna tone it down for a while.

Anonymous

I feel like the West also looks down on the fervent obsession of the fans… especially because the artistic material the idols release don’t validate that kind of obsession.

Anonymous

I don’t know. I think 2NE1 should debut already in America, but part of me is nervous for that too. I mean, I ask myself, am I ready for them to be labelled as knock-off Lady GaGa wannabes? It would break my heart to hear that. Sure, they are talented, but knowing how harsh the American market is, I don’t know. I’m having second thoughts. I mean, have you read the comments about Girls’ Generation’s debut in that David Letterman Show? While Kpop fans praise them to death, majority of American comments are rather negative, to a point hurtful already. Sigh, the problems of a Kpop fan.

Anonymous

I think it comes down to two things for the U.S. market. The songs have to be in understandable English and then the songs have to be be heard, again and again and again, on the radio, on TV shows, etc.– which means getting the backing of a major U.S. label. The artists themselves don’t matter until AFTER the songs are popular and familiar.

But step one is the crucial step, not step two. The most catchy song ever will not get play in the U.S. until it’s in English that the general audience understands. To use just one example, I love TOP more than I can say, but half the time I can’t recognize when he’s rapping in English. Get working on the pronunciation, kids, then try breaking into the U.S. market.

Anonymous
I’d rather idols sing in Korean than Engrish

JayDK
Me too, but neither Korean nor Engrish will make it in the American market. Basically, the songs will have to sound as if they’re sung by a native speaker of English before they have a chance to break through in the U.S.

straighttohelvetica

My issue with the whole K-pop in the West debate is that no one–fans, k-pop companies, U.S. press–ever clearly states what their goals are for entering the Western market. Is it to be No. 1 on the Billboard charts? To sell a certain number of units? To create a cultural/trend movement a la the Latin Boom of the 90s? Seoulbeats is having this discussion, but I rarely hear anything from the actual Korean idols/companies, and I just don’t see how can anyone figure out how k-pop will fit in with the larger market if there’s no goal or plan of action.

Honestly, I think k-pop should shoot for becoming a stronger niche market. It’s really unfair to expect Koreans born and raised in Korea, socialized as Korean, to compete with artists who have so many advantages including language fluency and understanding of cultural norms. (Before someone misunderstands, I’m not saying it’s impossible. I just don’t see any of the companies allowing the idols to stay in the West long enough to gain any of those things. Look at TVXQ and how long they had to work in Japan before they became popular. Think any of the big three have the patience to wait out the vastly different U.S. market?)

igbygrl
^ I completely agree with this statement.
I remember with BoA’s USA venture, SM Entertainment made outlandish, lofty goals ( too lofty and high if you ask me) that BoA will change the US music industry and that literally she will take over America. Their goals and aspirations were just to unattainable and lacked common sense. And then fast forward to now they try to use the same type of tactics to see if they could garner any interest with SNSD by debuting them on Letterman. Their tactics were quite dElusional when they saw the lukewarm reception they got a club when a DJ introd iced them.
At least with JYP’s Wondergirls he is trying to get a niche in the teenybopper fandom on Nickelodeon

cheoreom

To answer the question in the title… it doesn’t. Not really. What makes k-pop k-pop? If this question was asked five years ago, there would be a straight answer. But in the past few years, Western music trends have infiltrated k-pop. And for every good thing that came out of that, there was a downside.

My opinion is that k-pop is losing its identity. The only thing that really separates k-pop from Western pop music is the language it’s sung in. When you think about how much k-pop has changed… from the days of SG Wannabe, Seeya, Jewelry, DB5K, BoA… to GDA 2011′s Digital Daesang winner, “The Boys”… It’s quite jarring.

Think about the different genres of music: Country, techno, dance, hip hop, jazz, latin, classical, pop, blues, soul, R&B, dubstep (ugh -_- )… They all have a distinctive sound. Hell, even j-pop has its own distinctive sound. Don’t tell me you’ve ever heard a song like “Love So Sweet” by Arashi or “Heavy Rotation” by AKB48 outside the realm of j-pop.

The best k-pop groups heading west can do is fit in as much as possible and make a name for themselves by achieving what hasn’t been achieved by any other Asian artist. It’s a race to see which k-pop act will receive a Grammy first. Pretty much. Y’all know who I’m rooting for. (투애니원)

theprophetblog
I disagree. I still think K-Pop has a strong identity of its own, but the whole point of K-Pop IMO is to be an improved mish-mash of pop around the world. K-Pop to me is a mixture of J-Pop, American Pop, and Europop, so a lot of it can be similar to mainstream American music, but I think K-Pop artists package it better. They’re more talented, conceptual, and visual.
Also, there is still a lot of diversity and things in K-Pop you would never see on the American charts. Look at Sunny Hill or Brown Eyed Girls. Also, K-Pop often contains pop from so many different eras. They can still do disco (Roly Poly) or 80s (9 Muses “News”) or turn-of-the-millenium bubblegum (APink’s “My My”). In America everybody pretty much needs to be doing the same thing and there’s no room for anything different. It’s been a little broader with artists like Gotye and Adele etc, and they are pop artists, but they aren’t typically pop in the same vein as a Katy Perry, Beyonce, Rihanna, Britney etc. In K-Pop, you still have the idol artists, the equivalants of the Katy Perrys etc, mixing genres and doing music from different eras.

igbygrl
Sunny hill and brown eyed girls are terrible examples for diversity in Kpop. They still sing the underlying score of generic RnB beats and pop synthed sounds.
And obviously you’ve never heard of anything much passed the top 40 radio hits in the US. In America we have rock, we got alternsitwve pop, we have country, we have rock and blues, we have punk, we have hip hop, we have soul and etc. What does Korea have?
I don’t think Kpop has much diversity at all when it comes to their sounds and musical development. And their version of trying to make disco seem cool is rather lacking. I don’t think a girl group who wears disco clothes and sings over a pop synthed remix of Saturday Night Fever is much diversity. They sing the same songs with similar beats only with different image concepts. That’s not diversity that’s just changing wardrobes.

theprophetblog
I’m talking strictly about POPHot 100 music.
And LOL , I listen to plenty of non Top 40 music. I mostly listen to indie, rock, and country for English music, and I get my pop fix from Japan and Korea because they make much better pop.
If you think the production on Sunny Hill’s Midnight Circus or Brown Eyed Girls’ Sixth Sense is just generic R&B you just be biased or deaf.

igbygrl
I actually like Sunny Hill but they do sing mostly generic ballad songs and RnB beats.
I didn’t like their Midnight Circus song that much although the MV made up for it somewhat. The lyrics had better composition than the actual musical score. But that’s just my taste talking their.
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